Ian Hart interview John McMullin, CHt, HC for his book “Healing Hackers” which is all about natural healing techniques and hacks for recovery fast and performance max. He interviews healing hackers who give their most valuable techniques to stimulate the healing process in the body. You can learn more about it when you read the book “healing hackers”. John McMullin owned number of companies but was fascinated about how the human body creates energy signatures based on perception. And so after selling those companies he got in love in looking as a biomed technician than engineer designing systems for reading energy. He do holistic coaching as he speak to people and help them workout their perception of realities and stories.

If you want to find out what real health looks like and how to heal naturally, you may want to watch this video.


Alright so thank you John McMullin. And so I know quite a bit about your background and not too much, not as much as you can share. So I’m just going to give you a some time to share a little bit of where you came from and how you ended up doing what you doing and what it is that you do specifically.

Good Morning Ian! I thank you. My background is of number of corporations. I owned a number of companies, 6 of them one time actually in biomed engineering. And I always interested in the energy signature of the human body as a result of working with American optical and other companies with the defibulators and fetal monitors, and we did a lot of work for hospitals in 4 states so they would meet the joint commission standards… so our job was to go in and make sure equip the work. But I was fascinated about how the human body creates energy signatures based on perceptions, that got me interested… and so after selling those companies I got in love in looking as a biomed technician than engineer designing systems for reading energy and people, that’s the basic history.

Awesome! And so now you do holistic coaching as well so you speak to people and help them workout their perception of realities and stories? Is that what you’d say?

Correct. Briefly, I discovered that people communicate not only through their words but through their energy signatures that many people have many subconscious attachment they themselves that they are not aware of. So I’ve learned not only then to loosen to what people tell me more acutely to what I listen to what they are not telling me. They hide information from themselves.

Okay and so when they hide information and you’re having a conversation with them, can you give an example of something that they might say or do that is telling of maybe an issue or something they need to work out.

Often I have a client call up0 and say something like I’m depressed, I tend to have manic or depressed behaviour, I don’t love my life partner anymore, I have physical symptoms that won’t go away, and one of the first questions that I ask is… How does part of you benefit by having symptoms that compromise you? Many of us I believe are not aware that we all are martyrs and we benefit by punishing yourself or other people. We don’t realise that because it’s reactive and we’ve adaptive to it but I would say one of the most significant parts of your question is learning how it is use our body parts and punish them for not meeting other people’s expectation.

Okay, and how do we peel the layers of the onion to get to that realisation that they are injuring themselves and that they are maybe causing more harm through this perception or story?

One of the interesting aspects of adaptation is learning to justify or rationalise so someone might say “I have a broken heart and somebody did this to me” not realising we break our own heart blaming someone else. My immune system it goes on and on… for me the symptoms are just that, they’re not the issue. Your question, how do we get to the issue instead of the symptom. Is that correct?


First to the recognition and that what people tells us are symptoms rather it’s behaviour, physical, emotional, mental, spiritual are intuitive aspects. Many people compromise intuition because it’s a source of information the human ego filters out. So the question that hand is if someone says I don’t like my spouse. My response is what if you discovered you don’t like yourself about your experiences of your spouse? So they’re start looking inward rather than outward for what disturbs them.

Great. So yeah one of the biggest things about this book is going to the root causes of the symptoms and trying to fix at the source. And would you say that the source of most issues is in inner problem even when it comes to physical healing like when someone with an injury.

Actually you’re talking about your book and the title of your book is?

Healing Hacks.

I love the title, that’s beautiful. Yes… hacking has an implication that there is covert stuff going on and so that’s correct. I perceive that when the body is out of balance energetically because of its belief systems, we actually over activate some glands and organs, under activating others as acupunctures would tell you. My job is to use my intuition and as the body to tell me what parts are over and activated as a result of a belief system that somebody is hiding from themselves. So short answer to your question is if I try to use logic to solve a riddle of logic, it doesn’t happen if you try to use emotion to solve a riddle of emotion, not going to happen. Through using an intuition and reading the energy signature not only of the voice that someone is talking to me but their field, their theoric field just sense it and or to say it in another way… many people say my gut says something is not right. They don’t feel right my part, they’re actually using their body as feedback loop to the intuition I just talked about.

Okay can you explain a little about the theoric field and how… so when you’re speaking with somebody, you’re reading all the signs like you’re hearing the voice, you’re looking at the energy that’s coming off their body and kind of maybe reading the like if there’s… I don’t know how you’d explain it maybe like an imprint on energy signature that could be cause by trauma, or something. Is that a good way for explaining it?

Yes. And I actually would offer that because we are all gifted with a heart that vibrates an energy of consciousness. And an ego that vibrates, it’s still another energy of consciousness realising that the human ego is what saves us. It’s mission is to defend, improve for survival. The heart on the other hand is an energy field attempting to connect with our inside and outside world. For example, you smell a beautiful flower. It activates an experience. One would say that moved my heart. So back to your important question, we all have available many senses that we can turn on to experience the expression of another human self or nature. If it’s dangerous to the ego, it switches of the sensory system. I make a conscious effort to try and leave them open.

Right so an example of that would be when we were at the workshop, you use the a I’m blanking on the name of the machine that you guys were using there. What was it called?

Well in this particular case, it’s called the Eductor, but there are many manufacturers that make biofeedback devices that measure various energy levels of the human body or pets or anything that lives.

Okay and this measures the energy signature and you use it on somebody who’s in the workshop and work on their energy signatures and all of a sudden she had a sense of smell that was greater than it was before or it came back to her or something like that.

Correct. In other words when the ego senses risk danger. It shuts down sensory systems in this case her ability to smell fragrance cause she associates fragrance of something that was dangerous or humiliating so she turned her smell off, her ability to smell. Once the machine was able to recognise the energy signature of that fear or shame and we created what’s called a homeopathic remedy. In other words, a frequency that cancelled out the frequency of she could actually smell fragrances again. And so her statement was she got up the next day and smell morning. Is that beautiful?

Yeah. It’s amazing. So can you explain a little bit about how the Eductor works or how it picks up the signatures because I know it’s a little bit complicated and sometimes it’s hard for people to wrap their mind around.

Now why don’t we use language that we can understand. Hopefully your listeners will hear. Actually, I mentioned earlier in my biomed feedback days. I learned the ability to sense as I believe all humans can do. The reason we don’t sense all these energy information of another human is its sensory overload. It’s like if there’s a bad odor to the house we adapt to it and then we don’t even know it’s there. You could go outside and come back in. So what I do is sense that energy signature, the equipment because we hook up some electrodes to the body and start measuring chakra energy, meridian energy, on and on… many different frequencies including what we mention earlier the theoric field but there’s many energy fields around the body layered. And so our purpose is to see if there is harmony and that’s the operative word for your book. We want glands and organs connecting and working together. If you and I grew up in a family where we experienced this harmony conflict then we associate that and imprint it to glands and organs in our body and they find each other the enemy. You and I have a name for this we call it cancer, fibromyalgia, and other names.

Perfect! Now you talked about harmony which is… so I debated with the title of the book and I like the title healing hacks so I’m going to keep that title even though you know one of the things you mentioned to me made me think twice about it but can you kind of give your definition of what healing is?

… you really came loaded with great questions… Yes healing has an assumption of wounding. In other words it’s rebalancing the energy signature of different tissue in the body and it just briefly look at some people called cancer is tissue that consumes other tissue. It’s the bigguns beating up on the little ones. The conflict we have with self and you spoke earlier off inflammation and what is inflammation? It’s a byproduct of irritation so if we have parts left and right hemisphere of our brain conflicted or we have parts of our body or ourself related to someone else irritated in conflict with another human then comes the inflammation and of course inflammation creates all kinds of problems including arthritis and other challenges. So healing is a process of bringing the body back in to energetic balance and no9t forgiving other people but forgiving ourselves for beating ourselves up for trying to beat other people up or get them to beat us up so that we matter. Forgiveness is forgiving our perceptions, not other people.

Powerful stuff…

It is for me.

Yeah… and would you say that these irritations and lets say emotions and feelings that caused inflammation are lower frequencies or lower consciousness? Is that a way you can maybe state that and that higher frequencies and higher consciousness stimulate healing?

From a scientific notation, we speak of alphabetic, many frequencies that occur in the body that low frequency are bad and high frequencies are good but actually the piece I would invite us to consider is harmony and harmonics of a base frequency. So we actually stimulate consciousness many people would say through a higher frequency what I would say is that we create a harmony with a vibration of our body that allows us to become a witness of, as well as a participant of life therefore, we have choices. But if our lower frequency we fight, flight or freeze or facade. We either attack or hide, those frequencies are actually imprinted into the not just human body but theoric field around the human body and so we become hyper vigilant and you would call it exhausted to adrenals, maybe a hyperactive fibroid, there’s many consequences to how we experience who we are in the world.

Right. So let’s say somebody who has a joint issue like say their shoulder bothering them for a long period of time and typically tendons and muscle they heal themselves after couple weeks so that joint issue has carried on longer than a few weeks. Would you say that could be something that manifested from emotions and or disharmony?

I think that’s a really important question for so many reasons. Basically, an irritated shoulder either it has been compromised emotionally, mentally, physically, spiritually, intuitively when we carry the weight of the world when we are over givers we have a need for example to make other people feel good so we can feel good about yourself. Our body gets resentful, this is hate, what about me. So we get irritated on ourself and so Louise Hayes and a number of other authors who talked about how to speak about body symptoms as a metaphoric indication. So the shoulder might be carrying the weight of the world on our shoulders. It’s a language rather than a literal language. It’s comes a metaphoric language who talk to our body and say “Hey shoulder, I abused you. I was not paying attention and help me here.” And you’d say wait a minute the shoulder doesn’t know that you’re talking to it. I propose oh yes it does. This is especially true of a broken heart where we accuse someone of hurting us and breaking our heart. We don’t know how to say to our heart I broke my heart over my expectation of somebody. So learning the language of metaphoric discussion with a heart creates a new frequency and opportunity otherwise we go on having a physical therapist or a chiropractor or some other telepathic person continually trying to massage or put our shoulder back into place. And the real question I had is why are we not working on the issue instead of the symptom.

Perfect. It’s kind of like I don’t know if you’re familiar with Dr. Sarno. I don’t know if we ever spoke about that but Dr. Sarno was a surgeon and after about I don’t know 20 or 30 years he called up all his patients and he asked them if they still had back surgery after surgery and he found out they all had back pain for the most part and he changed his career essentially and started treating the emotional issues with the back and then their pain was gone. And so this is in direct connection with what you’re talking about.

My wife’s brother is in MD, PhD, studying the psychosomatic experiences of surgery and if we really sit back and look at surgery is there’s a time and place for it? Of course there is. How then do we reconcile wounding the body and the effort of healing the wound. The knife surgeon, the scalpel of the surgeon cutting tissue, it cuts through energy field so it cuts through meridians and how the cells talk to each other. They have to adapt to that. So is there a place for surgery? Absolutely. Is there a place where some kind of physical intervention requires consciousness for healing briefly said many people with scar-tissue come to me with keloided tissue and I actually ask to tell me the emotions its holding onto. And then once I ask them to identify the emotion of the wound, it’s often not what we think it is then stretching the tissue horizontally and vertically we actually allow blood to circulate into that scar-tissue and all of a sudden it’s not white, it’s pink like the rest of the tissue in the body. It’s amazing.

Wow, that is amazing. And there’s some of the neuro research showing that the more you’ve had surgery basically, your life force energy, the more you’ve had it the more of your life force energy goes down and like dementia, and all these other ailments go up. And that’s why part of this book, not part of it… this whole book is about healing naturally at the root cause so we could avoid some of the bigger cuts, slashing and burning which is the typical mode nowadays for within the medical community. It’s like you know chemo, surgery, and radiation or something like that… MRI’s, etcetera.

Well if I may briefly Dr. Randolph in Cincinnati, all of his studies I mean works all over not just United States witnessing their research on how many people are actually compromised because of back surgery. And I think it’s important for you and I do a disclaimer here… Are there times when the intervention of surgery is called for. We are not doctors he answered of course is yes. The question that you and I want to ask is did any bother of the result, the emotional attachment to the wound in the first place? Did anybody bother to go through a process of reconnecting energy of the body that was separated? So a lot of people talk about Medical healing through tough. What I really say is we re- energise functional energy into that part of our body.

And would you say that’s the power of something like a meditation is you’re actually drawing in this energy into your body to stimulate healing?

The answer for that question is yes and that brings us back to a question you asked earlier regarding how does the Eductor or other pieces of equipment work? I’m going to use some language that’s a little hard to embrace because they’re not words of the allopathic healing per se. The idea that there is what we call a unified field of energy. Now when certain scientist witness that energy is modulated based on the observer. Albert Einstein witnessed this, he called it spooky. He didn’t know what else he could understand how come different people with influence the outcome of protons flowing through a grid would be affected by the observer. What is going on? So back to your important question, Is it possible that we all humans are actually connected to what called the unified or universal field whatever name you want to put on it. It is a life force energy field and we are all funnelled into that energy field. Now I’ll just make a simple statement: What if our source called God, Jehovah, great spirit, whatever name you give higher source constantly providing healing it’s what we call it energy, life force energy of enthusiasm, passionate desire, curiosity, constantly being fed and because of our self esteem and self worth issues or inferiority complex our hands go no! Not for me I don’t deserve it and whether a way we began atrophy and we began to0 dissipate interesting possibility.

Yeah so you would say another way I’ve heard you’ve said is things like resentment, anger, guilt, shame actually block us from the spirit of the sunlight of this higher unified field god whatever you want to call it. And when we works through this issues and removed these blockages that we are not connected with the source and then therefore we can stimulate healing and you know somebody like David Hawkins work said healing happens at like the level of joy so when you feel peace and joy you start to stimulate or connect with that unified field at a different level.

Yes much of his writing, teachings much of what I agree and some I disagree with because I’m a mortal. I would offer this… actually we live in I perceived a duality world. And that we learn from the shadow and enjoy the light side of energy. Many people hide from the ego, hides from shame and fear and what threatens us and what shames us but in truth, we learn more from our challenges than we do from pleasure. And so what I would say to Dr. Hawkins and some other people say I just want to live in peace, I just want to be happy and what I reflect to them… well how do you learn? If you live in this world of no challenges, how do you expand consciousness so I would offer that there is what some people would call destiny meaning the synchronicity of the moment we live, die and all the events in between. It’s not the event, it’s how we experience though and so for me the core issue here isn’t the events of our life. It’s what they represent to us, that issue determines the functional coherent flow of life force energy through our body as much as anything else.

So would you say for example PTSD is not the event that happened. It’s the emotions, and what it represented that cause the actual PTSD?

I would agree to your statement so much to tell you that my personal experience with the tens of thousands of clients I’ve had over the years often the PTSD people bring back from the battlefield is not the event on the field. They associate the trauma of the event with something earlier in their life. So personally speaking, I have witnessed people live themselves out off the abyss not working on the event they thought putting them into paralysis or hypnotic stupor but on event earlier in their life they use dissociation as a tool to hide the experience of trauma. So metaphorically speaking if we can find an age where we can represent where we were traumatise we have no clue, reclaim the event and turn it into a learning experience instead of a paralysing event, magic happens.

Right, so it’s basically you’re transforming the experience that they had in the emotions that they attach to them or what it would represented to. It’s a different representation.

I like your transforming, in the other word I like it as metamorphosis of watching the caterpillar turn to a beautiful butterfly through the containment of its own cocoon.


Yes if we can teach people the cocoon was necessary one to protect it and then became its own prison and necessary for the butterfly to strengthen its muscles for flying. If we can help a person experience an event from a different position, magic happens emotionally, mentally, physically, spiritually, intuitively we become a different person.

Yeah, we’d be able to grow. Now let’s say someone was listening or they’re reading the book. How would they know they’re in hypnotic stupor like how do they identify. If they read it and they’d say oh this isn’t me. What would be the signs and symptoms that they know they’re in hypnotic state.

Well I don’t know how to prioritize you question because they’re all so important and this maybe one of them. The way I heard the question is how do we know what it is we don’t know we don’t know. I was so fascinated by your question participated in doctoral program of hypnosis which required participating using hypnosis not only for clinical but entertainment to witness the power of suggestibility and to answer your question, I would project the possibility that almost everybody spends almost all their life in hypnotic stupor if it’s defined as fantasising, daydreaming, not focusing, not experiencing, and on it goes because we all wrapped a cocoon around us to protect us from what it meant to be an infant and toddler about at risk. So waking up out of hypnotic stupor is so hard because all of a sudden you began to experience life not only what we see, smell, taste or feel differently but all of a sudden we open yourself up to an overload of sensory that we had shut down. And in paradoxical away it puts us back to sleep. So that’s why waking up is a process and back to your important question how do we know what it is we don’t know until we sense what it is not be in a hypnotic stupor. Oh by the way for the record, all hypnosis or self hypnosis what they’ll do to us is they create an environment where we hypnotise yourself and it only takes milliseconds to self hypnotise so…

Yeah so say someone realises like okay… what I’m hearing from you is that if you’re not present and really experiencing the present moment you’re kind of in a hypnotic stupor if you’re daydreaming, you’re fantasising, you’re distracting, you’re trying to like not be here and present then you’re in a hypnotic state. And if someone recognises that they are in a hypnotic state, how do they start the process of getting out of that?

Another way of asking that question is the healing process itself right? Because hypnosis is a way of hiding from self so we hide, I have the experience of hiding from the outside world and I think it’s a really important question. First is to consider the possibility that we are numb through dissociation, daydreaming, misdirected attention, attaching to opinions and defending them, it goes on and on… until we become a witness of our own behaviour so inviting ourselves to participate with what I call holistic coaching or good therapist whatever that means to have somebody reflect back to us how were communicating messages of experiences we ourself dont know we’re communicating. In other words to be compassionately curious about what it is we are hiding from yourself is the beginning.

So would you say essentially seeking truth or seeking to know yourself better is like the good first step?

Yes and it’s hard to witness self in the person itself because as soon as the human ego experiences you reclaiming in a memory it want you to not reclaim. You dissociate. About 40% of my clients, they’re actually a therapist and the reason number is high is because they don’t want to be diagnosed in the field of psychiatry. Once you’ve been evaluated it becomes a written record and because Im not licensed as a therapist, I allow my clients to have experiences rather than diagnose and then attach to diagnosis. And so what I do often is give them an opportunity to hear something and then repeat it back and they’re trying to stay aware of the message but what happens is difficult because the mind, all of a sudden, says oh I forgot to put gas on my car, I need to pick something up at a store, so we lose coherency. Actually I teach a class in speed reading through hypnosis and the reason through hypnosis is to bring people out of hypnosis and instead of reading a book to be informed by the author, I teach them how to read a book to challenge the authors’ experience with their own. It keeps them coherent.

Gotcha… Interesting.

So that’s another technique. I love your question frankly that one question we could spend hours but I know you have more questions.

Yeah so being at the book it’s about frequency and inflammation, I wanted to speak about nature. Now I know it’s something that I don’t think I’ve ever heard you speak about but I’d love to hear your opinion about what you think nature provides us in terms of healing or reconnecting with ourselves or raising our energy or how to affect the field of energy.

Well another very important question. You may or may not be aware of this but for every irritant will say poison ivy within 50 ft grows on other plant or resolve. And nature has that polarisation for us. We just have the awareness o9f what is the expression or vibration of the energy of a plant. Many people are aware of a research program in the late 50s where they actually attach to electrodes to plants thinking they could use them as a feedback loop only realising it bombed, until they all of a sudden finish and they start to tear the plants out and they went wild…so it’s true that all living things have a level of consciousness. The question that hand is, are we present, sensitive, aware of the message that all life has to send to us. And when we’re busy whether own world or not very interested in witnessing… one of the great challenge since you brought it up I believe for the human ego is not to attach to the stories we’ve made up about who we are but to witness through other people’s filter system what they make us. Although I have opinions of who I Am, what I Am more interested in is your life experiences and what I represent to you.

Yeah. Are you familiar with Bruce Lipton’s work at all? Biology of belief?

Yes… correct.

You spoke a little bit about the perception and environment. That’s kind of what I want to draw in and it’s like how your environment affects your energy field, and so who you’re surrounded by like so if you’re around nature or if you’re in the city and surrounded by chaos, and confusion, etcetera. And he proposed which was against the mainstream science which was that genes affect everything and what he proposed is that the environment actually is the biggest factor in that so would you say that our environment depending on what environment we are in will change our energy signatures and especially over time and how that would affect our health and ability to heal.

Earlier I talked about adaptability and people in New York adapt to noise in a way in the country you and I listen to crickets. It does our environment influence our well being and shades of grey absolutely. As you well know our DNA is made up in a helical format, the most efficient antenna that man has ever designed to track satellites, this helical antenna with parabolic reflector underneath it and you and I actually have tuned our helical antennas or DNA to the energy of self and the outside world and we can actually adjust, the DNA actually expands or contracts based on its experience of the outside world. Another word we would use for that is adapting. So back to your important question, are there people… Japanese where the bomb was dropped who were affected far greater than other people about radiation and dying and the answer is yes. How one person experiences for example radiation from an X-ray machine different than another? Are there trends? Yes. Is there adaptability? Yes. So yogis cracked us, whole kinds of pain so that they can prove that they have the consciousness to shut off pain but I believe they do is numb themselves out. We all have the consciousness to turn off pain so we don’t have to feel it which has a lightning shadow. I don’t feel the pain but now I don’t know Ive got 6 weeks to live because Im filled with cancer. So back to your important point frequency, it is amazing for me to witness where we take the frequency of homeopathy or urban remedies or energy signatures from other sources and intend them to merge with the frequency of someone’s belief system and watch how quickly we can influence how a person perceives themselves and influence our self loathing from the drug industry it’s a chemical function of how we adapt to the influence of synapsing of the brain. From the holistic point of view, it becomes another opportunity… Now one last piece I want to say, can you and I be transducers? Can we actually create a frequency of vibration with another human that opens our heart? So since I had the privilege of having you participate in the class as a teacher, that’s what I call everyone that thinks they’re a student. I got to witness the vibration of your beliefs when Id exposed you to certain information. And then I would transmit my mind and in my heart frequency that would help you perceive a different view than previously experienced so we’re actually body electrics. We think we are physical beings but we’re body electrics.

That was a perfect way because part of the book we are talking about frequency but how we are electrical beings and the food we intake if it’s electric it feeds us and nourishes us and it helps our consciousness whereas free intake things that are dead and maybe processed and have no nutrient value that the electrical interaction is not going to be the same  and we are going to wonder why we have low energy, why we feel bad, why our immune system is lower. And so my next question for you is if somebody is looking for emotional, physical, or healing just in general or a better way of putting it like we said they’re looking to harmonised or be in harmony and in away from disease and discomfort, what are some of like the lowest hanging fruits that they can pick from? That you might recommend. Something that they can maybe even do right now that kind of stimulate that process?

Good question… Before I answer your question the body electric as we spoke earlier is an interesting phenomenon watching how the 10 microvolts of energy applied to the SA node can cause the heart to function very differently and that comes from… so interpreting the energy signature of the body from me and helping someone understand the consequences of manipulating how energy flows through the body is very important, it becomes a self awareness beyond what otherwise could be. Now back to your question the low hanging fruit. The first is, one of my… I have a series of question to help people help themselves, self evaluate where they are right now and I don’t believe we can give anybody anything we are so so possessed, and so how does a person really experience themselves in the relationship with themselves about another person? We would say what’s my relationship with my spouse or how that goes. For me it’s a question how do I experience a relationship with myself about that person because we never know another human. All we do is project our eclectic experiences on to them and say well you’re bad or you’re a good person or I loved you when we got married, now I don’t love you anymore. We don’t know how to say I don’t trust myself with you the way I once did. So back to the important question, all of us would want to ask ourself. You were talking about low hanging fruit is why would anybody want me for a life partner and since you’re hosting this show, how would you answer the question why would anybody want you for a significant other?

Right, yeah this is one question that I thought a lot about and every time I answer it’s a different answer but that’s the evolution I guess, it’s a growth so when I respond to that I start to think about the things that I do, that I can be improved upon and think like well.. you know maybe they wouldn’t want that in our life and maybe that needs to change and with that being said, I also think about the positive sides but is that a question that you ask to stimulate the healing process or stimulate the awareness process would you say?

The answer is yes on both. The reason it’s such an important question that we ask ourself and or another human is we all have what we would call self loathing or another word is we all have an inferiority complex. I mean it comes from being a small child and the presence of family members first where we felt helpless and it’s an imprint. Most of who we are is identified within our first 7 years of our lives. So back to the important question if I’m in process of having a partnership with another human, I realise that I can never compliment them beyond their threshold, their ability to receive the compliment. And the question is so significant because most people answer it well- Im charming, I’m good in bed, I’m funny, I’m smart, and on it goes, in other words their answering the question out of human doing rather than human being. So what is human being? It is realising who I Am not through my activity but through my experience of the stories I made up about me. So if I need to prove and defend I matter because I have credentials behind my name, I have big house, car, blah blah… that’s called attachment. In asking someone to connect with their being, well I’m a vessel to express life in this literal realm in a unique way. No other human can. That my being is vesselling consciousness beyond my ego’s awareness. So if someone can say I’ll tell you who I Am John. I Am the experience of other people. I can’t make somebody happy or sad. I can’t be…I think I can make people happy by giving my body away, my money away or whatever. Here’s the truth — that’s called enabling. I labeled it, but when we enable people we are trying to take care of them to make ourselves feel good about ourself. So back to the important question and any listeners. I would ask them to embrace this important question. Why would anybody want me in their life? The answer is based on their life experiences of what they make me not who I Am. Then that helps minimise the shame and fear that I Am not me being somebody else’s expectations. So you ask about low hanging fruit, there’s a good place to start.

Awesome, I love it!

Now I know we’re gonna be ending here shortly. I wanna be respectful for your time and I greatly appreciate it and I just wanted to end of with the power of our body and just a little bit of inspiration about people who don’t really understand that we are unbelievably powerful beyond what we can even phantom and how our body is a machine that has the ability to heal itself and whatever you know some of the stuff you shared and I’ve heard you share about that, that maybe would inspire people to believe that they are powerful and they can heal themselves and have the ability to change their perception in that field.

Briefly said. And that one question you and I can spend hours with is our human ego was shake to belong in a family either for compliance or defiance and then as an adult children we go on the same beliefs. To answer your question… I think it’s really important to grow beyond the attachments that we had as children because we are adult children to believe in a simple truth we are a lot more afraid of intimacy and power than we are ashamed in fear. Our attachment are ashamed in fear because we perceived we can control it. You cannot control how magnificent we are so we dismissed it and make ourself pathetic interesting paradox we have much more power in the family being pathetic than we are dominant.

Powerful stuff and a lot to take in, I mean honestly I could sit here and ask you question for days. Before we sign off, is there anything in terms of healing hacks you know that you could maybe just off the top of your head would be helpful or somebody would find helpful and then we’ll just end it there.

The healing hacks as you all them. I believe our experiencing other people’s perception of us without attaching to them, being curious about who we are in the minds of other people without needing to meet expectations. Learning our purpose, if you can’t define your reasons for being in this literal realm then you dismiss yourself and ask other people to do that. Who are we? We are a vessel to express life in this literal realm. It’s a dualistic world and it’s the only place that the human soul or spirit can experience the consequences of duality and the reason we are here is to confuse ourself so that we can wake up to oneness. So those are some of brief statements I could just blurp a bunch more but I’d like to take a minute and thank you for your curiosity to show this blog. I’d like to take a few minutes and say what I value in you as much as myself therefore, is your curiosity, your willingness to look in the mirror and see something other than your ego’s definition…

Thank you!

So I want to thank you and I look forward to when you and I can match up our heads and our hearts again.

Yeah I know I really appreciate it and like I said I can sit here and talk to you all day but that’s the workshops are for right?

That’s a… well some people learn better in an environment where they see themselves in another people and some people one on one. And that’s why I do one on one sessions all over the world and I do workshops around in the United States.

Yeah and so you do it in California…

Ohio, and Cape Coral, Florida where you came…

Right, yeah…

Yeah and once again when you showed up, you become the teacher out of your curiosity you discover yourself by me asking questions.

Yeah I know it’s powerful so anybody. I’m also going to post this on YouTube and anybody that’s listening. Most people that go to you are like you said therapists, and holistic coaches, but from what I find is that people that just need to learn more about themselves show up and see massive transformation and I’ve actually seen it happen first hand so journeys of wisdom is the name and powerful stuff. Definitely transformational.

Powerful for some, dangerous for others… Ego doesn’t like getting an information that it can’t hide. It’s true.

Yeah definitely.

Thank you for being my friend and thank you for your endless curiosity. I hope it goes on and maybe you and I can wrap our minds around another session.

That’d be great. I appreciate it, John. Super grateful. Take care.

As am I, thank you friend!…


Ian Hart is a Body-Mind Transformation expert, the creator of EarthFIT Training Systems, co-creator of BACK PAIN RELIEF4LIFE, and founder of BEAUFORTPERSONALTRAINING.COM and MYBACKPAINCOACH.COM. Ian and his team help people get into optimal shape in the safest, fastest and most effective way possible, using cutting edge science.

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